Storage NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo

ssg · 11-19-2008, 08:07 PM

For those unaware, this is what I am talking about:

RND2000 - ReadyNAS Duo (1 x 500 GB)

Newegg.com - NETGEAR RND2150 500GB Network Storage - Network Storage (NAS)

I've been looking for some kind of linux distro that I could personalize into a NAS/Media box for my own use for awhile. I eventually realized I'd rather spend my time doing other things, and I should leave machine building to the pro's. I can still fix anything, but don't give me a clean slate or it's trouble

Anyways, just ordered the above. It comes as a 500gb solution - which for the $ is fairly pricey. Newegg offers a promo at the current time that for an additional 30$ you get a spare 500gb drive, so all said and done 389$ to my door I have a raid 1 solution that allegedly works nicely with time machine AND as a windows media center photo/audio/video source.

I'll report back once I get it here and setup. I should have it by monday or so

Geek · 11-20-2008, 08:11 AM

Interesting. Do keep us posted, I've been in the hunt for something along these lines for a long time but have yet to bite the bullet for various reasons including but not limited to reliability issues and just general quirkyness mentioned in customer reviews. I realize I'm not going to find an enterprise level product for the couple hundred bucks I'm willing to spend on this but I'd like it to be trustworthy enough so that I can store my data without worrying about failure within a few months.

I do have a Promise RAID array that takes IDE drives and is fairly robust(dual power supply, 8 drive slots, runs RAID 5+0), the problem is it's a SCSI interface requiring a PC to be attached to it and I don't feel like letting that much hardware run 24x7. Not to mention it's the size of a mid-size computer so footprint is also an issue. If there was a way to attach it to a Mini I might be inclined to just continue using it but I'm fairly certain that the Adaptec 29160 card it attaches to is bigger than a Mini.

ssg · 11-21-2008, 11:42 PM

Well the secondary HDD is here, whee! Monday the rest of the stuff arrives. Of course my boss called me tonight and asked if I'd be in the office next week, so...I won't be here Monday when it arrives

ssg · 11-22-2008, 07:20 PM

So I just found out a close friend has "friends and family discount" at EMC aka Iomega...expect a report on some of their NAS stuff soon as well (nothing wrong with a backup of a backup).

ssg · 11-26-2008, 02:31 AM

well, yay. It's here, and uhh...for the next 40 something hours it's going to be moving over my gigs of movies and pictures

Seriously, two 7200 rpm 500gb SATA2 drives in an enclosure (albeit running over wireless G) and they can't move 88gb in less than 40 hours, wtf!?!

ssg · 11-26-2008, 03:14 AM

Ok, plugged it all into hardwire 10/100 and its telling me about 5 hours now, hmm.

Guess I will have to look into Wireless N now.

I have no idea how to configure Time machine on this thing either, even though it claims compatibility

Geek · 11-26-2008, 07:59 AM

You more or less turn Time Machine on under System Preferences and point it to the NAS and then it'll ask you if you want to use it as a Time Machine volume. I would partition the NAS off because if you say yes it'll wipe out whatever you have on the partition you're pointing it to.

ssg · 11-26-2008, 07:15 PM

Hmm...so the NAS is asking me if I want to use AFP/Bonjour CIFS NFS Rsync or FTP. Uhh..so I can make shares until the cows come home, but no easy way that I can see to make a specific volume or seperate volume in the NAS.

Im sort of confused, but I am refusing to plugin my Windows machine and confligurate it.

One cool thing, there is a mac widget for the ReadyNas

that shows you drive/fan/SMART+ status if you like as well as cabinet temperature and even raid sync state if you want it.

The neatest part by far is when I plugged it into a UPS (APC ES750 bought specifically for the unit) and it recognized it and even spawned a config tab asking me if I wanted to have the array shut down when the UPS reached a certain point of discharge

That said, the system actually has a reasonable suite of allowable changes (fast cifs writes/journaling etc.) that permit you to run it in a UPS or non-UPS environment.

As of last night I went wired with the device and the write times were 30% of their former selves. I can't complain much at all now.

My next goal is an Airport Extreme and speeding up my home wireless + adding on a GigE router. Then I'll take my WRT54g that I have and load DD-WRT onto it (I have 2 currently) and my guests will have a DMZ Hotspot. I swear I've heard someone else saying very similar things to me lately

ssg · 11-26-2008, 11:08 PM

Since I got questions about if this is RAID-1 or what it is...it is X-Raid. Although it is a patented raid type by Infrant, here is a simple explanation on Netgear's site:

Quote:

-RAID also provides further expansion capability. At a future point in time, each disk can be replaced one by one, have it finish rebuilding, and after the last disk is replaced, your volume automatically expands utilizing the new capacity. This future-proof technology allows you to continuously expand as higher-capacity disks become available.

Performance-wise, X-RAID is optimized for larger sequential access request pattern, such as video streaming and editing. Performance over RAID 5 in large data transfer can be as much as 15-20% better.

So basically when I decide I want to go to 2tb, I stick in 2tb drive #1 and walk away. I then let it resync onto that 2tb drive, and then when complete I remove the other 500gb drive and stick in 2tb drive #2, let it resync and voila. Pretty cool.

ssg · 11-27-2008, 12:09 PM

I might have bitched about this things latency, but I gotta say...it recommends running on an N (wireless) or GigE (wired) network, so I can't complain for being 'stuck' with G

The media server feature is priceless...built my slideshow on iPhoto, exported to //nas/mediaShare/ and poof it's there.

I panicked this morning when I told it to rescan my mediaShare and I never saw it finish (still hasnt as of an hour ago). Then I realized the share was over 270gb (mp3's, home movies, pics, etc.) so I guess I can cut it some slack.

Also I finally figured out how to get it rolling with AFP shares and my itunes now adds all my music to the NAS. I have my MBP doing all the 'keep organized and and and' options for iTunes, and then have my PC's look at their (network places) for the itunes library (with no writing). So far it works the absolute shizznit

Oh...and Xbox can of course see the individual songs in the itunes library thanks to it's 'go find music' dumbness. Now I gotta see if it will peel things in that are .avi.

figment · 12-05-2008, 05:10 PM

GbE jumbo frames are your friend with large files like video

some people tweek as much as they can on the protocol stack to make the transfers more efficient and this can increase "goodput" dramatically.

ssg · 12-05-2008, 05:21 PM

Yeah, finally found the jumbo frames setting on the box and now it moves sillytime.

This thing offically uploads as fast as it downloads btw.

ssg · 12-15-2008, 02:18 PM

Weird, so I don't know what I am doing wrong, but:

- My ReadyNAS likes to start and stop Bonjour / AFP at it's own discretion now? I can enable it, dump logs and it shows it running. Connect to it and browse the share, or open the monitoring app via Bonjour page, but after a few minutes it just stalls then goes away. The CIFS/SMB mount is still there.

Only changes I made recently that would affect this:
-Disabled NFS
-Disabled RSYNC ability
-Updated MBP firmware to 1.6

Geek · 12-15-2008, 08:29 PM

Is there a firmware upgrade for the NAS itself?

ssg · 12-16-2008, 11:46 PM

Yeah there was right after I bought it...and I installed it.

Oddly, it seems anytime I do any kind of Apple update, this stuff seems to occur

ssg · 01-21-2009, 06:17 PM

Well this is ducky...

Seagate offers free data recovery for faulty drives

maybe it explains my issues?

ssg · 05-09-2009, 12:00 PM

Dude...this is pretty cool...
ReadyNAS Vault

Just signed up...then realized its 5gb a month and .50$ per additional GB.
wtf is that? thats not even a full download of my camera's memory card?

The transfer per month is 100gb too, so that is eh, ok after the first month...and the buisness plan ($20 a month) is unlimited upload/download. Still the same 5gb storage though...odd.

ssg · 05-09-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssg

Weird, so I don't know what I am doing wrong, but:

- My ReadyNAS likes to start and stop Bonjour / AFP at it's own discretion now? I can enable it, dump logs and it shows it running. Connect to it and browse the share, or open the monitoring app via Bonjour page, but after a few minutes it just stalls then goes away. The CIFS/SMB mount is still there.

Only changes I made recently that would affect this:
-Disabled NFS
-Disabled RSYNC ability
-Updated MBP firmware to 1.6

So, I found out that my MBP wasn't setup for doing jumbo frames (duh I just left it set to automatic). SO I changed it to 7936 and noticed it doesen't like to change when I am using wireless

I tried shutting it off - no matter, still doesen't let me change it to anything other than auto for the Airport side. Weird.

So I relented and turned off Jumbo Frames on the device and the AFP shares pop up and my iTunes server (running on NAS) returns as well. Hmm.

So I just noticed my PS3 doesen't accept manual MTU over 1500, and my oldschool other laptop that has had issue copying to the RN doesen't like to do big MTU over WiFI either...so I guess I am limited to 1500.

The good news is, it all seems to work now...we shall see how long this holds true.

Geek · 05-10-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssg

Dude...this is pretty cool...
ReadyNAS Vault

Just signed up...then realized its 5gb a month and .50$ per additional GB.
wtf is that? thats not even a full download of my camera's memory card?

The transfer per month is 100gb too, so that is eh, ok after the first month...and the buisness plan ($20 a month) is unlimited upload/download. Still the same 5gb storage though...odd.

Looks like it's 5gb file size limit...

ssg · 05-26-2009, 11:40 PM

That backup plan is lame. I never even went through with trying it

Geek · 07-14-2009, 10:26 AM

They're down to $285 after rebate now. A few more months and I might pull the trigger. I still have some outstanding projects around the house before I can work on the media network - I think by winter time I'll at least get it started though.

ssg · 07-15-2009, 01:01 AM

Not bad at all...I am going to be searching for some newer larger drives for mine shortly, maybe 1.5's but I'd just like to wait for the 2's to hit the 110$ mark and have an even 2tb unit. Yes...I said shortly but that will be awhile still

ssg · 07-15-2009, 01:04 AM

hmm...I take that back, the 1.5's are already in that price range, so maybe a 2 special will pop up

11-21-2008, 11:42 PM	#3
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Well the secondary HDD is here, whee! Monday the rest of the stuff arrives. Of course my boss called me tonight and asked if I'd be in the office next week, so...I won't be here Monday when it arrives __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

11-22-2008, 07:20 PM	#4
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo So I just found out a close friend has "friends and family discount" at EMC aka Iomega...expect a report on some of their NAS stuff soon as well (nothing wrong with a backup of a backup). __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

11-26-2008, 02:31 AM	#5
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo well, yay. It's here, and uhh...for the next 40 something hours it's going to be moving over my gigs of movies and pictures Seriously, two 7200 rpm 500gb SATA2 drives in an enclosure (albeit running over wireless G) and they can't move 88gb in less than 40 hours, wtf!?! __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

11-26-2008, 03:14 AM	#6
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Ok, plugged it all into hardwire 10/100 and its telling me about 5 hours now, hmm. Guess I will have to look into Wireless N now. I have no idea how to configure Time machine on this thing either, even though it claims compatibility __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

11-26-2008, 07:59 AM	#7
Geek 's make the world go 'round. Join Date: 01-02-2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,054	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo You more or less turn Time Machine on under System Preferences and point it to the NAS and then it'll ask you if you want to use it as a Time Machine volume. I would partition the NAS off because if you say yes it'll wipe out whatever you have on the partition you're pointing it to. __________________ "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people" Motorcycle fanatic?

11-19-2008, 08:07 PM	#1
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo For those unaware, this is what I am talking about: RND2000 - ReadyNAS Duo (1 x 500 GB) Newegg.com - NETGEAR RND2150 500GB Network Storage - Network Storage (NAS) I've been looking for some kind of linux distro that I could personalize into a NAS/Media box for my own use for awhile. I eventually realized I'd rather spend my time doing other things, and I should leave machine building to the pro's. I can still fix anything, but don't give me a clean slate or it's trouble Anyways, just ordered the above. It comes as a 500gb solution - which for the $ is fairly pricey. Newegg offers a promo at the current time that for an additional 30$ you get a spare 500gb drive, so all said and done 389$ to my door I have a raid 1 solution that allegedly works nicely with time machine AND as a windows media center photo/audio/video source. I'll report back once I get it here and setup. I should have it by monday or so __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

11-20-2008, 08:11 AM	#2
Geek 's make the world go 'round. Join Date: 01-02-2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,054	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Interesting. Do keep us posted, I've been in the hunt for something along these lines for a long time but have yet to bite the bullet for various reasons including but not limited to reliability issues and just general quirkyness mentioned in customer reviews. I realize I'm not going to find an enterprise level product for the couple hundred bucks I'm willing to spend on this but I'd like it to be trustworthy enough so that I can store my data without worrying about failure within a few months. I do have a Promise RAID array that takes IDE drives and is fairly robust(dual power supply, 8 drive slots, runs RAID 5+0), the problem is it's a SCSI interface requiring a PC to be attached to it and I don't feel like letting that much hardware run 24x7. Not to mention it's the size of a mid-size computer so footprint is also an issue. If there was a way to attach it to a Mini I might be inclined to just continue using it but I'm fairly certain that the Adaptec 29160 card it attaches to is bigger than a Mini. __________________ "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people" Motorcycle fanatic?

11-26-2008, 07:15 PM	#8
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Hmm...so the NAS is asking me if I want to use AFP/Bonjour CIFS NFS Rsync or FTP. Uhh..so I can make shares until the cows come home, but no easy way that I can see to make a specific volume or seperate volume in the NAS. Im sort of confused, but I am refusing to plugin my Windows machine and confligurate it. One cool thing, there is a mac widget for the ReadyNas that shows you drive/fan/SMART+ status if you like as well as cabinet temperature and even raid sync state if you want it. The neatest part by far is when I plugged it into a UPS (APC ES750 bought specifically for the unit) and it recognized it and even spawned a config tab asking me if I wanted to have the array shut down when the UPS reached a certain point of discharge That said, the system actually has a reasonable suite of allowable changes (fast cifs writes/journaling etc.) that permit you to run it in a UPS or non-UPS environment. As of last night I went wired with the device and the write times were 30% of their former selves. I can't complain much at all now. My next goal is an Airport Extreme and speeding up my home wireless + adding on a GigE router. Then I'll take my WRT54g that I have and load DD-WRT onto it (I have 2 currently) and my guests will have a DMZ Hotspot. I swear I've heard someone else saying very similar things to me lately __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

11-27-2008, 12:09 PM	#10
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	The star rating is growing...we're at about a 4/5 at this point. I might have bitched about this things latency, but I gotta say...it recommends running on an N (wireless) or GigE (wired) network, so I can't complain for being 'stuck' with G The media server feature is priceless...built my slideshow on iPhoto, exported to //nas/mediaShare/ and poof it's there. I panicked this morning when I told it to rescan my mediaShare and I never saw it finish (still hasnt as of an hour ago). Then I realized the share was over 270gb (mp3's, home movies, pics, etc.) so I guess I can cut it some slack. Also I finally figured out how to get it rolling with AFP shares and my itunes now adds all my music to the NAS. I have my MBP doing all the 'keep organized and and and' options for iTunes, and then have my PC's look at their (network places) for the itunes library (with no writing). So far it works the absolute shizznit Oh...and Xbox can of course see the individual songs in the itunes library thanks to it's 'go find music' dumbness. Now I gotta see if it will peel things in that are .avi. __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

12-05-2008, 05:10 PM	#11
figment No undeserving pride of ownership attiude here... Join Date: 01-23-2008 Location: St Paul, Texas Age: 51 Posts: 95	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo GbE jumbo frames are your friend with large files like video some people tweek as much as they can on the protocol stack to make the transfers more efficient and this can increase "goodput" dramatically.

12-05-2008, 05:21 PM	#12
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Yeah, finally found the jumbo frames setting on the box and now it moves sillytime. This thing offically uploads as fast as it downloads btw. __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

12-15-2008, 02:18 PM	#13
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Weird, so I don't know what I am doing wrong, but: - My ReadyNAS likes to start and stop Bonjour / AFP at it's own discretion now? I can enable it, dump logs and it shows it running. Connect to it and browse the share, or open the monitoring app via Bonjour page, but after a few minutes it just stalls then goes away. The CIFS/SMB mount is still there. Only changes I made recently that would affect this: -Disabled NFS -Disabled RSYNC ability -Updated MBP firmware to 1.6 __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

12-15-2008, 08:29 PM	#14
Geek 's make the world go 'round. Join Date: 01-02-2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,054	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Is there a firmware upgrade for the NAS itself? __________________ "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people" Motorcycle fanatic?

12-16-2008, 11:46 PM	#15
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Yeah there was right after I bought it...and I installed it. Oddly, it seems anytime I do any kind of Apple update, this stuff seems to occur __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

01-21-2009, 06:17 PM	#16
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Well this is ducky... Seagate offers free data recovery for faulty drives maybe it explains my issues? __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

05-09-2009, 12:00 PM	#17
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Dude...this is pretty cool... ReadyNAS Vault Just signed up...then realized its 5gb a month and .50$ per additional GB. wtf is that? thats not even a full download of my camera's memory card? The transfer per month is 100gb too, so that is eh, ok after the first month...and the buisness plan ($20 a month) is unlimited upload/download. Still the same 5gb storage though...odd. __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

05-26-2009, 11:40 PM	#20
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo That backup plan is lame. I never even went through with trying it __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

07-14-2009, 10:26 AM	#21
Geek 's make the world go 'round. Join Date: 01-02-2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,054	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo They're down to $285 after rebate now. A few more months and I might pull the trigger. I still have some outstanding projects around the house before I can work on the media network - I think by winter time I'll at least get it started though. __________________ "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people" Motorcycle fanatic?

07-15-2009, 01:01 AM	#22
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo Not bad at all...I am going to be searching for some newer larger drives for mine shortly, maybe 1.5's but I'd just like to wait for the 2's to hit the 110$ mark and have an even 2tb unit. Yes...I said shortly but that will be awhile still __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.

07-15-2009, 01:04 AM	#23
ssg Senior Member Join Date: 11-04-2008 Location: Redmond Age: 32 Posts: 166	Re: NAS - Netgear RND2150 Readynas duo hmm...I take that back, the 1.5's are already in that price range, so maybe a 2 special will pop up __________________ Those who know they know, truly know.